FACT facts

[Quna]

I know FACT is from TLJ, but since what I'm going to write is related to both games, I guess the thread belongs here.

There are a few pretty interesting facts in F.A.C.T. machine, and I know some of them were discussed, a few by myself, but I decided to gather them all here. Here we go:

( http://tlj.wikia.com/wiki/FACT - the fact articles on TLJwiki)
Fact 1: Discovering of a new solar system

What's interesting here: "Although information is scarce, B/M Corp. spokesperson Geonine Murray confirmed early this morning that the system has not previously appeared on scans of the sector. However, she refused to theorize why and how the system has remained undiscovered for so long."
Once or twice it was questioned if this planed was actually the earth of Arcadia, Stark and Arcadia are not in different dimensions, but just separated in space.
My idea is a bit different though.
See, this system had never appeared on scans, and the time of its discovering matches with the time of the Guardian leaving his realm. What if the worlds started slowly reuniting. Considering that the point of the divide was in space, it would be logical for the reunification to start somewhere there, nearby. I'm not saying that planet is Earth, but it could be some other solar system from Arcadia, no?

Fact 2. Three kids killed.
see in "Growing Vigilantism a serious problem". It's about a report of three bodies found in Newport, that had bled to death. The interesting thing here is what the two witnesses say: "One anonymous witness claimed to have seen a large shape descend from the sky and wrap itself around the victims, while another witness told police, in a rather incoherent statement, that "the kids were eaten up by the night".
what's the first thing that pops up in your memory after these two statements?

Fact 3. I had this matter in my another thread, however, I'll bring it up again: Modern Dream Phenomena
The so-called Dream sickness: "MDP is believed to affect more than twenty percent of Earth's population. Symptoms range from difficulty to sleep, a decreased ability to tell waking life from dreams, sleepwalking and -talking, to anxiety attacks and schizophrenia" and here comes the interesting fact: "Compared to the national average, Newport has one of the highest number of MDP affected citizens". Add this to Cortez's statement: "This city has power" and the fact that WATI had chosen a completely not suitable for secret experiments place - The Border House... And we start thinking Newport has something to do with the Dreaming.

Here it is. If you can read something else between the lines, or words, or even letters, let's add to the list

[Skizzo]

Originally Posted by Quna

I know FACT is from TLJ, but since what I'm going to write is related to both games, I guess the thread belongs here.

There are a few pretty interesting facts in F.A.C.T. machine, and I know some of them were discussed, a few by myself, but I decided to gather them all here. Here we go:

( http://tlj.wikia.com/wiki/FACT - the fact articles on TLJwiki)
Fact 1: Discovering of a new solar system

What's interesting here: "Although information is scarce, B/M Corp. spokesperson Geonine Murray confirmed early this morning that the system has not previously appeared on scans of the sector. However, she refused to theorize why and how the system has remained undiscovered for so long."
Once or twice it was questioned if this planed was actually the earth of Arcadia, Stark and Arcadia are not in different dimensions, but just separated in space.
My idea is a bit different though.
See, this system had never appeared on scans, and the time of its discovering matches with the time of the Guardian leaving his realm. What if the worlds started slowly reuniting. Considering that the point of the divide was in space, it would be logical for the reunification to start somewhere there, nearby. I'm not saying that planet is Earth, but it could be some other solar system from Arcadia, no?

The system does show similarities with the earth/Stark solar system: eight planets, the third is habitable, and of course a yellow sun.

But what exactly do you mean with the point of the divide being in space? Are you referring to its location in TLJ? Or do you mean that its original spot was where it appears in TLJ all along and it now simply is in space because the worlds were split? If you mean the latter, then why is it still so close to Stark and not to the other system?

Originally Posted by Quna

Fact 2. Three kids killed.
see in "Growing Vigilantism a serious problem". It's about a report of three bodies found in Newport, that had bled to death. The interesting thing here is what the two witnesses say: "One anonymous witness claimed to have seen a large shape descend from the sky and wrap itself around the victims, while another witness told police, in a rather incoherent statement, that "the kids were eaten up by the night".
what's the first thing that pops up in your memory after these two statements?

You are referring to Squishy, I presume? The description also fits the Chaos Vortex somewhat.

Originally Posted by Quna

Fact 3. I had this matter in my another thread, however, I'll bring it up again: Modern Dream Phenomena
The so-called Dream sickness: "MDP is believed to affect more than twenty percent of Earth's population. Symptoms range from difficulty to sleep, a decreased ability to tell waking life from dreams, sleepwalking and -talking, to anxiety attacks and schizophrenia" and here comes the interesting fact: "Compared to the national average, Newport has one of the highest number of MDP affected citizens". Add this to Cortez's statement: "This city has power" and the fact that WATI had chosen a completely not suitable for secret experiments place - The Border House... And we start thinking Newport has something to do with the Dreaming.

Hadn't we come to this point earlier already?

[Quna]

Originally Posted by Skizzo

But what exactly do you mean with the point of the divide being in space? Are you referring to its location in TLJ? Or do you mean that its original spot was where it appears in TLJ all along and it now simply is in space because the worlds were split? If you mean the latter, then why is it still so close to Stark and not to the other system?

What do you mean what do I mean? oO
Where was the wormhole???

Originally Posted by Skizzo

You are referring to Squishy, I presume? The description also fits the Chaos Vortex somewhat.

Both would be interesting, because none of them is supposed to be in Stark.

Originally Posted by Skizzo

Hadn't we come to this point earlier already?

Why don't you just get out of my thread?
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[Skizzo]

Originally Posted by Quna

What do you mean what do I mean? oO
Where was the wormhole???

Now that I think about it, I'm not too sure myself. :S

For some reason I had it in my head that the space station which April leaves to go into the wormhole is closer to earth than it is too this Bokamba-19 system.

Where is the space station situated, anyway?

Originally Posted by Quna

Both would be interesting, because none of them is supposed to be in Stark.

Quite true.

Originally Posted by Quna

Why don't you just get out of my thread?
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Oi! Is that my copyrighted smiley you're using there? What I meant was: I thought most of us (if not all of us) agree on this already. That basically means I'm saying you're right. And since I almost never say you're right, you should treasure the moment.

[b01]

Fascinating...

[Quna]

Originally Posted by Skizzo

For some reason I had it in my head that the space station which April leaves to go into the wormhole is closer to earth than it is too this Bokamba-19 system.

Where is the space station situated, anyway?

I believe it wasn't mentioned. What we know is that from there people were transferred to colonies and that's it.

Originally Posted by Skizzo

Quite true.

But it's harder to compare the Chaos vortex to "night". It's all glowing and shining. Squishy seems to fit a lot better, been all dark and being seen descending from the sky and wrapping its tentacles around somebody.
BUT... Did Brian bleed to death? or maybe he managed to get out before dying and being helped somehow?

Originally Posted by Skizzo

Oi! Is that my copyrighted smiley you're using there?

Excuse me, I have rights on all beings with two antennas on their heads, you can't coyright them
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Originally Posted by Skizzo

What I meant was: I thought most of us (if not all of us) agree on this already. That basically means I'm saying you're right. And since I almost never say you're right, you should treasure the moment.

I had said already that it was discussed and I simply wanted to gather all FACT things together.

[Dr. Kin]

Originally Posted by Quna

But it's harder to compare the Chaos vortex to "night". It's all glowing and shining. Squishy seems to fit a lot better, been all dark and being seen descending from the sky and wrapping its tentacles around somebody.
BUT... Did Brian bleed to death? or maybe he managed to get out before dying and being helped somehow?

But what Undreaming was doing in Stark anyway? And how it ended being there?

But that killing of children... And remembering Cortez's phrase "where children visualize their dreams". And what Undreaming is supposed to undo? Understand?
So: what if Undreaming "feeds" on children (as most active or clean dreamers) or seeks to destroy them first?

Originally Posted by Quna

Excuse me, I have rights on all beings with two antennas on their heads

Including yourself?

Originally Posted by Skizzo

Where is the space station situated, anyway?

Not too far from Earth, I think.

[Quna]

Originally Posted by Dr. Kin

But what Undreaming was doing in Stark anyway? And how it ended being there?

Or was it the Undreaming we know, or its twin brother?
Here's another then. Cortez is somehow involved with the Undreaming, as far as we've seen it seems to be his (or theirs, including monks) tool or something, or at least they're using it. So what if mcAlen knew about this things, and wanted to have one for himself, so he made (or attempted to make) one? He was "making" his own Guardian, to have his kind of Balance, so why not his own Undreaming to rule the dreams at his will?

Originally Posted by Dr. Kin

But that killing of children... And remembering Cortez's phrase "where children visualize their dreams". And what Undreaming is supposed to undo? Understand?
So: what if Undreaming "feeds" on children (as most active or clean dreamers) or seeks to destroy them first?

Have you read Otherland by any chance?

Originally Posted by Dr. Kin

Including yourself?

Starting with myself
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[Skizzo]

Originally Posted by Quna

I believe it wasn't mentioned. What we know is that from there people were transferred to colonies and that's it.

Originally Posted by Dr. Kin

Not too far from Earth, I think.

Would be interesting to find out where it actually is. I always assumed earth as well, but it could very well be another planet in another system. We know the portal opens near the space station; do we know if the portal is just outside earth, or isn't that said either?

Originally Posted by Quna

But it's harder to compare the Chaos vortex to "night". It's all glowing and shining. Squishy seems to fit a lot better, been all dark and being seen descending from the sky and wrapping its tentacles around somebody.
BUT... Did Brian bleed to death? or maybe he managed to get out before dying and being helped somehow?

Good point. Before figuring out whether it is most likely Squishy or the Chaos Vortex we should look at its purpose: why did it need to kill those people in the way it did?

[Dr. Kin]

Originally Posted by Quna

Or was it the Undreaming we know, or its twin brother?

Aaaa, they are multiplying!

Originally Posted by Quna

He was "making" his own Guardian, to have his kind of Balance, so why not his own Undreaming to rule the dreams at his will?

And what he planned to do with original Undreaming, which doesn't looked very tamable?

Weird thought: maybe it did was original Undreaming, which through Brian went to Stark but was captured by McAllen, but after his death went to Arcadia in shape of Brian/the Prophet.

And another thought: what if it was Gribbler? Makes some sense, concerning affection for children and blood.

Originally Posted by Quna

Have you read Otherland by any chance?

No, but I'll plan to do. Does it feature Undreaming eating children too?

[Skizzo]

Originally Posted by Dr. Kin

No, but I'll plan to do. Does it feature Undreaming eating children too?

I'm not giving anything away about the story, but you should definitely read the books. Very interesting story!

[Miral]

Originally Posted by Quna

Have you read Otherland by any chance?

I've actually just started reading it...

[Skizzo]

Originally Posted by Miral

I've actually just started reading it...

Have you read anything by Tad Williams before? Because in my opinion he always takes a lot of time to 'introduce' the story (roughlly about the first half of the first book) when he's writing a series. Some people may find that a bit bothersome, but in this case: don't. Because it only enriches the entire story, because of character development.

[Barentity]

I hadn't heard any of this stuff before. It's very interesting, but I would guess that it's coincidence with the possible exception of the third fact.

Originally Posted by Miral

I've actually just started reading it...

Enjoy! The links to Dreamfall will get clearer and clearer as you read on.

[Miral]

Originally Posted by Skizzo

Have you read anything by Tad Williams before? Because in my opinion he always takes a lot of time to 'introduce' the story (roughlly about the first half of the first book) when he's writing a series. Some people may find that a bit bothersome, but in this case: don't. Because it only enriches the entire story, because of character development.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. The opening section (guy in a trench) seemed completely random and irrelevant, and I actually stopped partway and read a different book for a while. But then I went back to it and it got better after that.