How Zoe saved April

[Skizzo]

Originally Posted by Miral

Ah, but Zoe's body (and hence the tracking device) never left Stark. So while it's still possible Helena and co. could have learned the activities and whereabouts of April, it could only have been by overhearing Zoe telling someone else about them (most likely Damien), not through any direct tracking.

But we also don't know anything about the tracking device itself. We see Zoë in different clothes several times, so if it were a simple electronic device hidden in her clothes, then it wouldn't have really worked. Maybe it is a tracking device more in the way of the Dreamer devices and it is keeping track of her 'dreams' to Arcadia. But that's only a guess of course.

[Miral]

I think Helena had ample opportunity to attach a bit of tape or something to the back of Zoe's neck. That'd be all that would be needed, and it would be clothes-change-resistent.

[wandrew8]

Originally Posted by Skizzo

At the end of the game Helena Chang tells Zoë that her every move has been followed. How this exactly would have happened is another matter to discuss, but this creates the possibility that Zoë has lead Helena Chang - and possibly others - to April. What if that was Zoë's purpose? If this is true, it means that the White Kin and Helena Chang are pursuing the same thing (whether they are actively working together I couldn't say). Since the White Kin already met April earlier in the game, maybe several people/Kin are in fact trying to get April back to Stark again.

Good idea. Here's a crazy thought: what if Chang is the Red or Green reborn? I know they shouldn't have different gendered bodies, but what if something's different this time?

[LLlaxmep]

Originally Posted by Miral

I think Helena had ample opportunity to attach a bit of tape or something to the back of Zoe's neck. That'd be all that would be needed, and it would be clothes-change-resistent.

actually, in one of the discussions at the wiki, somebody suggested that chang planted that bug on either zoe's perse or her mobile - she have those with her at all times. in the mobile case it could even be a piece of software, like liv's "cloack" or smthing.

still, that doesn't explain why the bug wasn't found on her when zoe was searched and interrogated - unless those who did it to her left the bug be purposefully which, you know, would leave some other possibilities open.

anyway, this whole bug thing really did bug me. when chang said "i planted a bug on you, i know everything" i was like "wtf?! you gotta be kidding me!". as a plot tool it was very clumsy, unoriginal and outright "ostin powers-esque" banal. personally, i hated this episode the most, more than the ending even.

[Miral]

That's true, it was a bit cheesy.

[Aura]

Consider this: why the hell is TLJ 2 called Dreamfall?

Didn't Vestrum Tobias say that people of Stark and Arcadia come to contact one another briefly through dreams. Perhaps people discount these brief meetings, or, being dreams forget everything upon awakening.

Zoe may be a dreamer but she always remembers. As Faith said, she dreams things True.

I think Zoe saved April by simply being a witness to a true event. By reiterating what she "dreamed", April is alive in memory/dream/[insert some other noun here.] In Stark, Dreamtime is released worldwide. A device that allows people to dream any dream they desire. These lucid dreams seem real, but they're not, born of desire and of skewed reality. I always thought, in addition to the artificial Divide, there is another dimension where dreams pass/reside. I assume this is the nature of Storytime. Maybe this is why the Vagabond was anxiously awaiting Zoe's arrival and her telling of a true "dream". This is incredibly important, as the Dream Console will inevitably cause an unprecedented inflow of [false?] dreams from Stark to Arcadia.

"The undreaming is unchained"

In Arcadia, the Azadi's machine harvests all dreams and stored underneath that magical tower. This means that dreams are not flowing from Arcadia, whereas in Stark, Eingana [Dreamnet in Stark] intercepts, stores, and copies of dreams. In TLJ 1 there have been reports of a "Dream Sickness" and the highest incidence of occurrence was in Newport.

Alan Peats is obviously a creature of science [and possibly magic >> magic + science = a third magic], living through the wire, commanding a corporate empire, possessing/analyzing/living in dreams who tries to be a living, omniscent, omnipresent God . I believe this is what Helena Chang meant when she said he had to be stopped.

Is the Kin of Blue, the fallen slumbering God, a Dreamer? Is that why he was "silenced"? This evil entity probably killed the reborn White of Kin and it wants to rule all. Let's not forget that at the end of Dreamfall, the camera cuts to the Azadi Tower and you hear laughter from a woman. Maybe the Emissary or perhaps the unnamed 'Goddess' is the culprit. Or maybe it is some other being. April said those statues bearing strange runes underground were at once familiar, puzzling, ominous and scary.....

We all know that April is inherently tied to the Balance. As Zoe is with the Dream World. How they intersect I really don't know. The original White Kin also proclaimed April as "Mother" something about what is and will be. April in a way, was the "mother" by restoring the Balance. Just as easily as she created the Balance, she can destroy it. Come to think of it, this is analogous to Helena who bio-engineered "created" Faith and Zoe. Hmm......

[DreamfallTLJ]

Originally Posted by Aura

Consider this: why the hell is TLJ 2 called Dreamfall?

Didn't Vestrum Tobias say that people of Stark and Arcadia come to contact one another briefly through dreams. Perhaps people discount these brief meetings, or, being dreams forget everything upon awakening.

Zoe may be a dreamer but she always remembers. As Faith said, she dreams things True.

I took, "you dream things true" to mean that when Zoe, or any dreamer dreams she is sent to Arcadia, she still remains in a true reality, whereas other non-dreamers simply dream normally like all of us. Non-Dreamers dreams are their thoughts and thier imagination, a Dreamer's dream isn't a dream at all, "You are dreaming, but this is not a dream."

Hope that makes sense.

[Miral]

Originally Posted by DreamfallTLJ

I took, "you dream things true" to mean that when Zoe, or any dreamer dreams she is sent to Arcadia, she still remains in a true reality, whereas other non-dreamers simply dream normally like all of us. Non-Dreamers dreams are their thoughts and thier imagination, a Dreamer's dream isn't a dream at all, "You are dreaming, but this is not a dream."

It's a wonderfully ambiguous statement. Does "dream things true" mean "dream things that are true" or "dream things to become true"...

Most of the game seems to lean towards the former, but then there are some incidents (like the mysterious clothing creation, and somehow "saving" April just by being there) that suggest the latter.

[wandrew8]

Originally Posted by Aura

Consider this: why the hell is TLJ 2 called Dreamfall?

Good question, although first we need to ask what "Dreamfall" actually means. The way I see it, there are three possible interpretations:

1) Dreamfall, as in 'fallen over'. This is supported by Ragnar's use of the word when he named his post-mortems "Dreamfallen".
2) as in 'waterfall'. This makes most sense to me as the build-up of dreams in the Dream Chamber surely seems to be heading to an eruption.
3) 'rainfall'. This is a contender because, in the 1996 Joan D. Vinge novel "Dreamfall" (whence Ragnar may have take the name), the eponymous effect falls from the serene cloud-whales (I wrote an outline of the story on the old wiki).

[DreamfallTLJ]

^ Could be "fall" as in 'fall asleep'.

[Dr. Kin]

Originally Posted by wandrew8

Good question, although first we need to ask what "Dreamfall" actually means.

Dreamfall = Fall of a dream.